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to address social security, which is now officially running a deficit, medicare, medicaid costs are growing ast nomically. at least do a dumb deal now and get people over the fiscal cliff and kick the can down the road, that's going to happen anyway. >> steve, no deal, bad deal? i kind of feel like i'm playing poker. what do you think? >> i can't believe it, but i agree with jim. the most deficit reduction is going to come from no deal. and that's what we need. that's what this economy needs, the biggest threat to economic growth, if the deficit and the debt, 4 trillion, everybody talks about it as some sort of grand bargain. it's barely a start. this isn't a fiscal cliff, it's a fiscal bunny hill, let's slide down it. >> if we slide down, jonas, in the first week, people are going to open up the paycheck and see less money there. i don't think that people understand that at this point. >> people get used to tax cuts, that's the problem. short-term expiring tax cuts, including the payroll tax cut. you know, it's not the best way to solve a problem, but this cliff is the result of not coming
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